" Words are for one thing: communication."
With Marvin they are also used to obfuscate.
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What constitutes 'proof' on JWN?
by besty inrecently there have been a few threads where claims have been made alledging personal negative effects in 'real life' following internet activity on jwn and other ex-jw related sites.
discussion then ensues, aspects of which may include 3rd parties either disputing the truth or affirming the likelihood of the claim.
questions are asked.
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hello. pls help. getting married soon. afraid i won't be happy because wtbts said so.
by seasickbumblebee inalshello.
i'm a practicing jw.
finally decided to create an account to see whether you could all help me.. so i am engaged to this wonderful wonderful man and in three months time we'll be married.
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Dear ssbb,
You are very confused right now, and probably madly in love with your fiancee. Getting married at this point is probably not a wise decision. It has more to do with you having doubts about the religion, than that you may have had some hanky-panky.
Sort things out first. Be honest with him about your doubts. It would be unfair to him to marry him, if you are not sure you want to remain a JW. He may have doubts too, but maybe not. Honest communication is the most important key to success in any relationship. If it is not meant to be, either because you have differing views on the Watchtower or what you would like from the relationship, then end it now.
I know that you may not do it, because you are in love. Just know that I only wish the best for both you and him.
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Another one...nine felony counts - Sun Valley, CA
by Dagney inhttp://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/church-usher-charged-with-sexual-abuse-of-boy-parishioners-217825121.html.
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church usher charged with sexual abuse of boy parishionersmarcelo lozano, 34, faces nine felony countsby melissa pamer| thursday, aug 1, 2013 | updated 1:51 am pdtview comments ()|email|printadvertisementan usher at a jehovah's witnesses congregation in sun valley was charged wednesday with sexually abusing four boys he met at the church.. marcelo lozano, 34, is expected to be arraigned wednesday afternoon at van nuys superior court with nine felony counts, according to the los angeles county district attorneys office.. lozano, who was an usher for the churchs spanish congregation, allegedly abused boys who ranged from 8 to 15 years old between 2006 and 2013.. he is charged with two counts each of aggravated sexual assault of a child, continuous sexual abuse and oral copulation of a person under 14. and he faces one count each of forcible lewd act upon a child, lewd act upon a child and sodomy of a person under 14 with 10 years difference.. prosecutors will recommend that the defendants bail be set at $1.8 million, the das office said.. lozano faces a maximum term of life in state prison if convicted on all charges.. the los angeles police department is still investigating the case, the das office said.. .
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It is a local problem, that happens everywhere. Will they ever learn?
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What constitutes 'proof' on JWN?
by besty inrecently there have been a few threads where claims have been made alledging personal negative effects in 'real life' following internet activity on jwn and other ex-jw related sites.
discussion then ensues, aspects of which may include 3rd parties either disputing the truth or affirming the likelihood of the claim.
questions are asked.
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Marvin likes absolute proof. His "hypothetical" scenario is thinly veiled. Most people can decide things by preponderance of evidence.
"According to 2 CFR 180.990, “preponderance of the evidence” means proof by information that, compared with information opposing it, leads to the conclusion that the fact at issue is more probably true than not.
Preponderance of the evidence is "such evidence as, when considered and compared with that opposed to it, has more convincing force and produces in your minds belief that what is sought to be proved is more likely true than not true."[Williams v. Eau Claire Pub. Sch., 397 F.3d 441, 446 (6th Cir. Mich. 2005)]"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/preponderance-of-the-evidence/
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New Child Abuse lawsuit to be filed tomorrow in Ohio against WT and congregation
by AndersonsInfo inmedia alert: press conference wednesday, july 31, 2013, 11:00 am .
civil lawsuit filed against ohio jehovahs witnesses congregation and national organizations by sexual abuse victim .
childhood victim suffered sexual abuse from congregational leader over a four year period .
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Thank you for informing us!
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I Just Had A Big Fat Bomb Drop On My Head and It Leaves Alot Of Questions
by TotallyADD inwhen i got home from work this afternoon my wife was standing near the door looking at me and said you need to sit down i have some hard news to tell you.
so i sat down and she began saying my brother called and i imminently ask if my mom had died.
she said no but my mother told my brother a deep family secrect that no one knows about.
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Do you know if the other woman was a JW, or if your half-brother is? If not, your brother may not want you to contact them to not bring reproach on the organization. (even though you father did that himself) I wonder if he paid child support?
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7/15 WT- Insane, Far Fetched, Narcissistic "New Light " about the FDS
by flipper ini know this article has been discussed, re-hashed upside down in past threads.
but there were at least 2 points i discovered in here that i felt were pertinent and important to bring out concerning the total control and narcissistic tendencies that these wt leaders possess on the governing body, i.e.
alleged " faithful slave " .
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I agree, that magazine is a big, stinking loaf of poo.
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WTS in trouble in Denmark
by zed is dead inhttp://www.dr.dk/nyheder/andre_sprog/english/2013/07/25/132435.htm.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses under fire
25. jul. 2013 13.26 English
At the recent summer conventions of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Silkeborg and Herlufmagle, speakers likened lapsed members to a deadly virus, snakes and contaminated soil that should not be mixed with clean soil.
The rhetoric was so strong that the movement may have breached article 266b of the Danish Criminal Code, under which “a ny person who publicly or with the intention of dissemination to a wide circle of people makes a statement or imparts other information threatening, insulting or degrading a group of persons on account of their race, colour, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation shall be liable to a fine, simple detention or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years” .
Overstepping the markThis is the conclusion of lawyer Niels-Erik Hansen, head of the Documentation and Advisory Centre on Racial Discrimination (DRC), after having read excerpts from the sermons delivered at the summer conventions, reports Danish newspaperKristeligt Dagblad.
“The speeches clearly overstep the mark. When someone compares another group to deadly diseases and snakes, we’ve moved into the core area of the anti-discrimination article,” said Hansen.
Harsh attitude towards defectors“The speeches are the same type of rhetoric that we heard against the Jews in Europe in the 1930s. This is precisely what the anti-discrimination article was introduced to restrain,” said Hansen.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are known for having a harsh attitude towards those who choose to leave the movement. Among other things, many defectors find that existing members refuse to have any contact with them.
Nevertheless, Poul Dal, chairman of the Support Group for Former Jehovah’s Witnesses, believes the language used at the summer conventions represents a stepping up in rhetoric.
Could be reported“The rhetoric has become more intense in recent years, when they have begun to use terms such as ‘mental illness’ and ‘Satan’s workers’ in relation to former members who now oppose the religious community,” said Dal.
The support group is now considering reporting Jehovah’s Witnesses to the police for violating the anti-discrimination article.
Carit Stypinsky, a spokesperson for Jehovah’s Witnesses, denies that the summer conventions’ sermons and denunciations of former members are in breach of Danish laws. -
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WTS in trouble in Denmark
by zed is dead inhttp://www.dr.dk/nyheder/andre_sprog/english/2013/07/25/132435.htm.
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A day in the life of a fading JW
by dissonance_resolved ini'm five months into my slow fade and it's going so-so.
my saturday morning was spent on a 3-mile jog and taking the kids to the park, which was great, but i'm still shuddering from the potential alternative.
at the last meeting, an elderette literally blocked the exit to prevent my escape and said she just "noticed" that we were in the same field service group and would i like to work with her in service on saturday?
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d_r,
I sympathize with your plight. Do not be careless with the "sister" that supposedly wants to encourage you, she might be trying to gather information on you for her elder husband. They use sneaky ways to investigate.
Family pressure is the most depressing, especially the children. Just remember that is what the Watchtower teaches them to do. It is even worse now with the "listen, obey, and be blessed" crap that the org is spewing.
Hang in there!
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